On this episode of The Signal, Dino unpacks how human and labor trafficking hide in plain sight across California—from elder care homes to construction sites and even neighborhood businesses. Guests include legal expert Stephanie Richard, survivor Jason, and LA County official Rose Barr, who explain fraudulent recruitment, temporary work visas, AB 1362, and how all of us can spot and fight exploitation.
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DINO
Keep this station alive by bringing you some dynamic news, information and analysis. Today we are taking on the urgent issue of human trafficking at its core. Human trafficking means using force, fraud, or coercion to exploit people. It's not just a global problem. A problem that you hear about in other countries, or as sometimes we'd like to think this is a problem in their developed countries.
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DINO
It is one that affects us all here. In fact, in California, in L.A. County, maybe even in your neighborhood. Our state, the great state of California, has some of the highest rates in the nation. Yet the data is often fragmented or underreported. Much of labor trafficking, in particular, remains hidden, affecting immigrant communities. Immigrant workers, farmworkers, domestic workers, and, yes, day laborers.
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DINO
And this, of course, isn't, it's more important today given the political climate that we're navigating. And given, the current administration, survivors often face barriers that make speaking out or seeking help almost impossible. From immigration status issues to language barriers, to fear of retaliation and a genuine, deep distrust of the institutions that govern not only at the local level, but at the state and federal level.
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DINO
Until recently, California law did not even designate a clear agency to investigate labor trafficking, leaving many cases to slip through the cracks and as such that many more people impacted. That is why today we're covering this topic, and also where the Sunita Jain anti-trafficking initiative comes in. Founded in 2021. So it's not a it's a relatively young organization founded in, at Loyola Law School.
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DINO
Local here in Southern California. The initiative is focused on building survivor informed and trauma informed policies. Now that's very important. Survivor informed and trauma informed policies. It promotes a non carceral approach to this issue, supports systemic change, and works to elevate survivor leadership, one of its major policies. Very recently in fact this year is AB 1362, introduced by Assembly member Ash Kalra, who he actually did engage his office and was unavailable to join us.
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DINO
But the Assembly member authored a bill known as the Human Trafficking Prevention and Protection Act for temporary Immigrant workers, which is one of the topics that we're going to include in today's episode. In fact, the entire episode is being dedicated to this topic. The bill expands protections for workers recruited abroad, closes loopholes that have allowed abusive recruiters to operate without oversight, and strengthens enforcement tools to prevent labor trafficking in California.
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DINO
So, to help us ground get this issue topic grounded, my first guest is Professor Stephanie Richard, director of the Sunita Jain Anti-Trafficking initiative at Loyola Law School. She has dedicated her career to advancing Survivors Center policies and shaping legislation to expose and end labor trafficking in California. Professor Richard, welcome to the show.
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DINO
Professor, are you there with us?
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STEPHANIE
I'm here. Hi.
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DINO
There you go. It's okay. How are you doing, professor Richard?
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STEPHANIE
I am doing well. Thank you so much for having me.
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DINO
Wonderful. So, as I mentioned.
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STEPHANIE
Echo, though.
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DINO
Do you have a radio? Turned on and maybe turn down your radio if you have a radio on?
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STEPHANIE
No, I don't have anything. I just wanted to make sure you're not hearing it. No.
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DINO
We're good. Okay. Wonderful. Well, welcome to The Signal. And as I was saying in the introduction, this issue of human trafficking, labor trafficking is something that, unfortunately, impacts the state of California at significant levels. Can you give us a clearer picture of what labor trafficking looks like in California today? And how does it differ from other forms of exploitation?
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STEPHANIE
Yeah, thank you for asking me that important question. As a practitioner, when I think about labor trafficking, I think about the domestic worker who has, had their, pay stolen from them, and, they've been threatened with deportation. I also think of the.
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JASON
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STEPHANIE
Survivor who comes with hope for a new job and then is isolated and and threatened. So labor trafficking is really the exploitation of someone's worker services through force, fraud or coercion. And while we often I think the general public imagines physical violence for restraint, in trafficking for situations, traffickers most commonly use psychological tactics. So threats of deportation, harm to loved ones, or even false promises about immigration status.
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STEPHANIE
And this is what traps people into exploitative work conditions. And when I train on the issue of labor trafficking versus what is labor exploitation, what I commonly tell people is, if you are a labor trafficking victim, there is a third party or employer who the manager of the company itself, who is making you believe that if you leave something bad, will happen to you, right?
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STEPHANIE
Whereas if you're in exploitative worst condition, it's still illegal. But it but what it is is that you're not being paid. There might be abusive working conditions, but it's that your own circumstance make you believe that you can't work somewhere else. And so that is what really distinguishes labor trafficking from other forms of exploitation.
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DINO
So it sounds like what you're describing, professor, is this is precisely what creates a system where survivors remain invisible. What are the biggest barriers to keeping people from being identified or supported?
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STEPHANIE
Yeah, that's a really good question. So in California, first off, I have to say we really lack conference handsome data on labor trafficking. And that's why at this engaging anti-trafficking initiative at Loyola Law School, we've been advocating for a prevalence study both in Los Angeles and statewide. Because if we don't know what trafficking looks like in California, we can't properly address it.
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STEPHANIE
But we do know is that California consistently ranks the highest in the calls from the National Human Trafficking Hotline, and that means trafficking is happening in our own neighborhoods, and we're simply not doing enough to stop it. And then when I think about what makes survivors remain invisible, right. There are three major barriers. The first is the public's misconception.
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STEPHANIE
So I think a lot of times the public thinks that trafficking only involves sex trafficking or only involves children, where in reality labor trafficking impacts men, women, children, and transgender individuals, citizens and non-citizens alike. In my own personal work, I've worked on cases of agriculture, hospitality, elder care, construction, and even skilled professions like nursing and teaching. Further, and this is even where things are less identified, a lot of trafficking victims are actually forced to commit crimes by their traffickers.
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STEPHANIE
This is actually called labor trafficking for forced criminality. And they're actually forced to see it steal or sell or carry drugs. And then these victims are still arrested for their own victimization. So again, we have a long way to go to understand the complex dynamics of trafficking. And and that feeds into my second major barrier, which is looking at what psychological coercion really looks like for trafficking survivors.
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STEPHANIE
So to the general public, a victim here, almost free. They might have phones or cars or even their own apartment. But you have to remember that trafficking is about the fear and manipulation that keeps them working for their trafficker. And when I train on this topic, I tell people under California federal law, you cannot legally consent to your own exploitation or trafficking.
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STEPHANIE
And worse yet, many victims, right, believe they've somehow consented to this. And so that makes identification even harder. And then the last thing I just have to highlight is that we have really focused on a law enforcement centered response to human trafficking, which makes sense when you think of it as a particularly serious crime. But with most of our resources going to law enforcement, we miss a lot of victims because victims fear the police, sometimes more than their traffickers.
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STEPHANIE
You know, based on what they've been told by their traffickers or their own experience with the police. So I believe survivors remain invisible because we haven't shifted our first response strategy toward community based outreach, such as peer advocates, medical professionals, civil agencies, people who look like the community and the people who are being trafficked. People survivors can trust.
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STEPHANIE
And until California invests in this shift, I think we're really not going to identify, the, survivors of this crime. And they will remain invisible.
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DINO
Professor, so, clearly, as you're sharing with us, this is a serious problem. It impacts multiple industries. I mean, this is not just, as you pointed out, sex trafficking, and some of the other industries that we have, this perception that where it's only this particular group and, and on that level, it might even be a group that sometimes is frowned upon or what have you.
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DINO
Why hasn't the state done more to better understand this issue? Giving the proximity to the issue of immigration, among other things? Why haven't and I know that we want to talk about this bill that you all are a part of, but before we get into, the bill, AB 1362, which addresses begins to address some of the issues.
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DINO
Why haven't our academic community, why haven't our elected officials in the past done more to address this issue?
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STEPHANIE
So here's the I think we all have a gut response when we hear human trafficking, and we want to have an easy solution to prevent it. But there are no easy solutions to preventing trafficking and protecting survivors. What we need are these very gradual, measured approaches that look at where do we stop trafficking, where right before it starts, whether it be in our child welfare system and our business supply chains, in our own communities, because we need this individual, not one size fits all solutions.
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STEPHANIE
And as I said, we we haven't even invested the resources we need into the data. We have a better understanding of what trafficking in looks like in our state. And there's no national data that shows that either. So we just even though this is something we've started to hear about for the last 20 years, we're I still feel like we're kind of at ground zero because most of the responses have been reactionary.
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STEPHANIE
And as I said, take a castle approach and we're never going to arrest our way out of this problem.
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DINO
Just like we didn't arrest our way out of the, failed, absolutely failed policy that is the war on drugs. You know, you mentioned earlier this issue, you referenced wage theft. And, you know, L.A. County is the wage theft capital of the nation. And I'm sure that plays, heavily into this topic. Yeah. So tell us about AB 1362, Assembly member Ash Kalra has, we see this as a critical step forward.
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DINO
What does the bill actually do and how does it close some of the loopholes in current law?
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STEPHANIE
Yeah. So thank you for asking me about this critical piece of legislation. It's currently on Governor Newsom's desk, and we are asking for him to sign it. And this is one of those careful approaches that I talked about that really looks at preventing trafficking before it starts. And it's rooted for me as a practitioner in the actual experiences of the survivors who I've served, who came legally to the United States on temporary work visas only to be exploited by the fraudulent recruiters who charge them thousands of dollars and lied about the jobs they were promised.
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STEPHANIE
And my own experience is also, shown through national data driven, efforts that found a very specific vulnerability fraudulent recruitment of temporary work visa holders. And so what is a temporary visa? Temporary work visa? It's a visa that lets you, really come to work in California for a short period of time and you're bound to one employer.
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STEPHANIE
And again, it covers everything from skilled work to unskilled work. And back in 2010, national data actually showed that two thirds of foreign national trafficking survivors receiving services from the largest service providers in the country actually had entered the US legally on temporary visas, and that the problem started in their home country, where these fraudulent third party recruiters who, by the way, are already paid by employers right to recruit the workers, charge workers exorbitant fees.
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STEPHANIE
So I've had cases of 2000, 5000, up to $25,000, and then these same workers are lied to about the visa terms. For example, they're promised a green card when this is a 6 or 9 month visa. Wow. So so that's kind of what that's the framework. The EB 1362 is a designed to address. And I do want to say that it is a first of its kind of legislation in the country that we have failed to pass federally.
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STEPHANIE
And so California can really be a leader in this because we get one fifth of all the temporary workers who come into the United States. And 81 362 requires recruiters to register with California, post a bond and accept legal accountability, which means accepting service, a process so they can't just disappear after exploiting people, right? It mandates that recruiters provide contracts in the workers native language, but the contract has to clearly outline the terms of the job, but also about the visa, right, and the details.
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STEPHANIE
And it also must clearly say that workers cannot be charged recruitment fees. Again, these are already paid by the employers that are recruiting them so that any worker who is coming to California should know, or at least have access to information about what is legitimate work. Now, and then the last two provisions of AB one, three, six, two that are really important are teeth.
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STEPHANIE
So the first is that it gives workers and the labor commissioner in California the right to sue any recruiter who violates those rules and provisions that we just talked about above. And then for employers who use the labor recruiters, if they don't use a registered recruiter so someone legitimate, they can be held liable if they use one of the fraudulent foreign labor recruiters in the same way the recruiter can.
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STEPHANIE
So that is kind of what EB 1362 does at its heart. We did take amendments last month, AB 1362. So now it covers, as a start, H-2a agricultural workers.
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DINO
Sure.
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STEPHANIE
So that's about 40,000 to 50,000 people who come to California on these temporary work visas annually. And it's a really good start. The other thing that AB one three, six two now does is it requires a study to expand the protections to all categories of temporary work visa holders coming to California, and that that is only now is about 350,000.
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DINO
Wow. So yeah. So, you know, beyond the legislation, there is this human cost of trafficking and when we take advantage of this opportunity to bring in our next guest, Jason Guzman, Jason was born and raised in the Philippines, where he worked in construction before being recruited to the United States under false promises. Exactly what Professor Richard was just telling us about.
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DINO
He believed he was coming here legitimately, but instead he was coerced into labor trafficking. His passport was taken. He was told he owed $12,000 once he was here, and he was forced to work around the clock in elder care and construction. And for only $400 a month, he was isolated, threatened and stripped of his freedoms here in this very country of ours.
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DINO
After nine months, a neighbor's report led to an FBI investigation, and Jason was eventually rescued. With support from Cast, the coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking, a Los Angeles based nonprofit that helps folks with these types of issues, including housing, counseling and advocacy. He began to rebuild his life. Today, he shares his story to raise awareness about labor trafficking, exposing the deceptive practices of this recruitment system.
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DINO
Jason, welcome to the show.
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JASON
Hey. Good afternoon. Thank you. Thank you for being here.
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DINO
Thank you Jason, thank you for your willingness to share your story. Jason, can you start off by giving us some idea what were you told back in the Philippines about the opportunity in coming to the US? It might seem like something you could trust at the time.
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JASON
Yes. Yeah. I was working the Philippines before starting work and then, I, I knew that, I knew the person before that, the recruit me. I thought that he was a nice person. And then, he called me in, in the Philippines to, to get by when I was in the United States and since, like, I could trust to there and then I just say yes, because, you know, being in the Philippines, it's, you know, are you just kind of excited when I hear you want to come in United States for kind of free?
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JASON
And then she said, this is, you know, do all the paperwork for me, I see.
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DINO
And Jason, once you arrived, when did you realize something was wrong? At what point did you say, wait a minute. This is not a good situation here.
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JASON
Yeah. In the the first day that I arrived, it just like, was he picked me up at the airport, and then. Well, as soon as he get in the facility, she asked me passport like that. I'm going to get me through that. I have your passport. I will take care of it. So it's the food stamps?
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JASON
Of course. There's the first time. Yeah, I still, you know, okay. Is made. Passport just started. And then. And then they give you that and then see if it was me in the facility. This is where you going to work? And that was how we began working at the facility. Like, you know, okay, it's like this week says to be okay.
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JASON
And then day by day and then it seems like you really kind of be thinking, realize you never take a day off. Wow. And and then it comes like adding more and more and more and work, like every single day.
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DINO
Right? Like at any point did you consider, you know what? I need to get out of here. I need to escape. And if so, why didn't you?
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JASON
Yeah. Okay. That's that's a point that. Yes, of course they were disappointed. I want to get out. I need to get out.
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DINO
Sure.
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JASON
But she she's threatening. She's she she threatened me before that, like, because she's I don't have a passport anymore. And then like, I think about the getting out and then she was threatening me. Before you go out that the police arrested you. You don't have any paper. And then she. And then she was telling me that, I'm going to be only working for her because I'm the one who.
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JASON
I'm the one who brought you here. So you are belong to me. And that was that. You? Only $12,000. She told me that I had to pay her and I have to work for her. In 12.
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JASON
And then after that, she was like, I didn't have a choice, right? I have to pay my debts. I have to have to stay there and then work and work and work. And then there's cesnik you doing everything and that work, like when you have a chance to do this, when you have a does do these, you know, you know, the doing construction job you're doing housecleaning, housekeeping, taking care of the older people.
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JASON
You know, everything, doing laundry, cooking for food for them, then and then. Sometimes you don't even have time to sleep. And then sometimes when you. So you're sleeping. She was getting bad because she said you're not allowed to sleep on the couch or leave, because if the license, if you hear, what can you say? Who's been a what?
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JASON
My client was watching my client.
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DINO
Right?
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JASON
And then, like my coworkers, sometimes made me an angel or something. He, a decent sleep or all last night because that is, you know, wake all day. So you had to look after him, but and and you have to find a way how to how to put him to sleep and then and then how did you hold it?
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JASON
How how are you how are you going to go if nobody's taking care of these people? And then, this one days and don't sleep in the couch or sometimes sleeping, depending bed and then this, this and this. One day he saw me actually in my pointing bed, asleep. And if you get mad again because you said you are not allowed to sleep in that bed, because if they see you again or like you see, oh, that was fun, or they expect to come here and I, they I'm going to tell them that you're not leaving this house.
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JASON
So you have to find a way how to get it out in that situation.
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DINO
Well.
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JASON
And then I ended up sleeping on the floor every night or sometimes no sleep. And you're sleeping on the floor right next to that. To my client, to my patient. Right?
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DINO
Right. And this. Go ahead, go ahead. Finish your thought, Jason.
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JASON
Yeah. And then? And then. Yes. You. So what were you always be alert when you hear noise in this. Do you use it for your blanket and put them away. So that way nobody see it.
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DINO
Right. Let me let me reintroduce you both. On the line with us, is Professor Stephanie Richard, director of the Snyder Jane anti-trafficking initiative at Loyola Law School. And, Jason, there was man who was a, was born and raised in the Philippines and who came under false pretense for work here, through a recruiter and was subsequently forced into labor exploitation and trafficking.
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DINO
And, professor, let me come back to you for a second here, as I hear you know, Jason, describe this situation, just how common are these type of tactics? And we touched on it earlier. But having navigated this topic, having, represented and worked with other workers, this, this fear and intimidation tactic, how prevalent is this? And is this precisely what we're hoping AB 1362 is going to address?
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STEPHANIE
Yes. So you heard Jason talk about how he was told that he had to pay $12,000 for the fee for his legal visa. He also didn't know the terms and conditions of his visa or the work, and his trafficker was able to tell him that he had to work for 12 years.
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DINO
12 years?
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STEPHANIE
Yeah, that was the. And so it's wow. Yeah. Go ahead.
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DINO
No no no I'm just going to. You caught me by surprise. Wow.
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STEPHANIE
Yeah. To pay back the debt and and and these are common things that I've heard, representing hundreds of trafficking survivors through my career. So these are the exact things that EB one, three, six, two we hope will prevent. Because, again, workers who come to California on temporary work visas will know that they have a right to a contract in their own language with the terms and conditions of the visa, as well as the fact that they should.
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STEPHANIE
They will know that they do not absolutely have to pay a fee, that that employer at the elder care facility was supposed to pay the fee. Right. For Jason to come on the lawful visa. And our hope is, is that then workers, if they're in exploitive situations, when they get here, we'll know that they can turn to for help because what is happening is wrong.
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STEPHANIE
Right. And, you know, Jason stayed in his experience for nine months. Angela, another trafficking survivor, trafficked with him, was there for two years. And I serve clients who have been with traffickers who have come unlawful visas for 10 or 20 years because they simply don't know their rights. And this is the type of tactics that traffickers use them.
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STEPHANIE
And literally, you owe me a debt, right? You owe me your labor. All call the police and have you deported or put in jail, right? Unless you keep working for.
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DINO
Jason, let me come back to you. So I understand that at one point, there was a neighbor who took notice of what was going on, and, it was a report, a neighbor, a neighbors report led to an FBI investigation that subsequently led to your rescue. What exactly happened there? How did, Yeah. Tell us more about the what led up to you being rescued out of this situation?
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JASON
So there was a neighbor there. I think he's kind of. He's kind of seems to know what's going on. He kind of kind of suspicious. There's something wrong in that facility. And then that's probably. That's why he ended up reported to the authorities or FBI because, the happiness he always see this every day or you don't even see this going out or something.
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JASON
He just. I just thought they were just with him in, like, backyard neighborhood, like, this seems like. Seems like probably he's. He's wrong. Because you see that every day. Never leaving the house. All right. And then we they see he's seen us like we walk every single day like seven days a week. That's what probably we got good neighborhood, like, you know, good neighborhood, kind of as suspicious or.
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JASON
And we're told nothing reported what's going on.
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DINO
And Jason, tell us now, today you are now I know because you become an advocate to help prevent this type of nefarious activity. You've rebuilt your life. Tell us about what you're doing today to help address these issues.
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JASON
So I'm sorry. So you can again. Yeah.
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DINO
So tell us what you're doing today to help combat this issue. What are you doing to help others?
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JASON
So, you know, like I said, you know, being human trafficking, it's so hard situation that you just want to give up. I mean, if I can help them, I would. But if my boys can hear I out and you know what's going on and you know, you know my story to share, maybe, maybe we could help.
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DINO
Sure.
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JASON
For other people.
00:30:49:07 - 00:31:07:20
DINO
Sure. And, Professor Richards, as we close out, this segment, I understand the bill is at the governor's desk. What is it that you want to let our audience know about this final process? Getting it across the finish line so that we can help address this issue further?
00:31:07:22 - 00:31:36:20
STEPHANIE
Yeah. So AB 1362, which deals with fraudulent foreign labor recruiters, in preventing trafficking at the point before it starts at the point of recruitment. And it's just one of many steps that we need to take to stop trafficking from happening in our own backyards. And we just hope that you, as the listening audience, will let Governor Newsome know to please protect workers from trafficking and sign EB 1362.
00:31:36:22 - 00:31:44:01
STEPHANIE
You can go to his website and you can put an email to him with that request today. Thank you so much.
00:31:44:03 - 00:32:13:09
DINO
My guest has been Professor Stephanie Richard, director of the Schneider Jane Anti-Trafficking initiative at Loyola Law School. And Jason, there was one, survivor of, human trafficking labor trafficking, exploitation. I want to thank you both for joining us. Stay with us. As we come back. We're going to talk to L.A. County, the county of Los Angeles, and senior official at LA County, who's going to tell us about what the county of L.A. is doing to address and mitigate some of these challenges.
00:32:13:09 - 00:32:20:20
DINO
Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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MUSIC
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00:33:08:07 - 00:33:38:23
DINO
Welcome back to The Signal. News, information and analysis. I'm your host, Armando. Dino. Dino, around here, around these parts and, yeah, you know, we just finish, this conversation with Professor Stephanie Richard, from the Sunita James trafficking initiative and a victim, Jason, who came under false pretense for work and ended up in a horrible situation where his life was literally controlled down to where he could sleep or not sleep.
00:33:39:00 - 00:34:13:16
DINO
And, you know, this is an ongoing issue now, human trafficking remains one of the most hidden crisises here in Los Angeles County. Workers can be coerced into these exploitative labor situations. Individuals are forced into commercial sex, work. Survivors often live in silence out of fear. Having experienced this to address part of this, we now bring, Los Angeles County Representative and deputy director of the Office of Labor Equity, Rose Barr medicine.
00:34:13:21 - 00:34:17:07
DINO
I hope I said that right, because we've.
00:34:17:09 - 00:34:18:16
ROSE
Had afternoon.
00:34:18:18 - 00:34:42:08
DINO
Trade. I'll try again shortly. With Los Angeles County Department of Consumer and Business Fair. She leads a team that works on these very issues of enforcement, education, prevention programs that aim to protect workers and create accountability. Rose is going to help us understand a little bit about these programs, why it matters. And more importantly, what is L.A. County doing to address this?
00:34:42:10 - 00:34:44:16
DINO
Rose, welcome to the show.
00:34:44:18 - 00:34:51:18
ROSE
Thank you. Thank you for having me, to speak about this important issue. I think you said it. Really? Well, how do we prevent this?
00:34:51:24 - 00:34:58:06
DINO
Right. So, you know, I don't know if you had a chance to listen to our previous guest. It's horrible situation.
00:34:58:06 - 00:34:58:16
ROSE
I did.
00:34:58:22 - 00:34:59:03
DINO
I.
00:34:59:03 - 00:35:00:15
ROSE
It is, it is.
00:35:00:17 - 00:35:20:00
DINO
It caught me by surprise to hear things like, you know, in the case of Jason, you know, he was put into the situation where he now owed this, trafficker 12 years of his life and 12 years of were the victim. So let's let's kind of put it in context, right? What kinds of businesses. Now, let me back up.
00:35:20:00 - 00:35:46:21
DINO
Right. L.A. County passed an ordinance I believe was in 2021 requiring businesses to post resources, provide employee training. That was an important first step. You know how big of a problem we took? Notice that there is a information gap, a statistics gap. But how big of a problem that you all are aware at LA County is in fact this, how big of a problem is this here at home?
00:35:46:23 - 00:36:16:07
ROSE
I think labor and I want to really highlight the labor trafficking as well as sex trafficking, because oftentimes when we think about trafficking, we think about sex trafficking. But labor trafficking exists in L.A. County as well. Traffickers use force, fear and coercion in both labor and sex exploitation. And, you know, the victims could look like any of us, but generally they're minors, immigrants or people with socioeconomic vulnerabilities.
00:36:16:07 - 00:36:25:20
ROSE
And I think the recent fires are examples of how natural disasters can also contribute and make a person vulnerable and a target for these traffickers.
00:36:26:01 - 00:36:26:10
DINO
Tell us.
00:36:26:10 - 00:36:50:05
STEPHANIE
More. In short. So in short, the problem is large, it's broad and involves many victims. Right. And I think one of the things that I took away from Jason as well is that his neighbor reported it. And I think it's important. It's important. I think, the initiative from the Board of Supervisors to adopt this ordinance goes to that issue.
00:36:50:11 - 00:37:04:24
STEPHANIE
How do we prevent it? How do we educate our patrons, the public, our workers, to recognize those signs and to be able to report it? So it's important to adopt these laws, right.
00:37:05:01 - 00:37:28:03
DINO
I, you know, I notice, Rose, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I noticed, you know, Professor Richard made reference to the various entities of various parties that ultimately are responsible for this. In particular, is the employer, the employer who is aware all the times that this is happening, they're taking advantage and and as such are part of the exploitation that is going on.
00:37:28:03 - 00:37:45:13
DINO
So in this case, with L.A. County wanting to inform and and educate not only workers and other individuals, but the businesses, what kinds of businesses are required to comply with these? With this education, with this outreach?
00:37:45:15 - 00:38:33:15
ROSE
So the prevention of the human trafficking ordinance that was adopted by the County of Los Angeles requires 25 different industries to, comply with this ordinance. And I can give you a few of them. But all those industries are listed in the ordinance, and it's on our website. Workers but only but some of them are primary airports, bus stations, urgent care centers, truck stops, hotels and motels, restaurants, gas stations, massage establishments, those are some of the industries that are required to abide by defendants, which requires, a queer posting in, invisible places near public entrances, where people can get help.
00:38:33:15 - 00:39:04:03
ROSE
In addition to that, it requires employers to provide their workforce with 20 minute training of how to recognize the signs of human trafficking and how they require them. So I think this is a really important, ordinance to prevent and be proactive about this issue. This ordinance is a key initiative by L.A. County to fight trafficking, and it establishes clear requirements for businesses to participate in prevention efforts and complying with the law.
00:39:04:05 - 00:39:10:09
ROSE
In addition to that, it supports enforcement and establishes penalties for those who fail to comply with it.
00:39:10:11 - 00:39:23:04
DINO
You know, what does happen if, if, if if a business says, you know what, I'm just going to maybe not put the poster up or, you know, what are the enforcement mechanisms in place to address this?
00:39:23:06 - 00:39:49:17
ROSE
Sure. If the if the employer fails to have the poster, which during our investigation on various workplace violations, we also check for these posters. If we don't see them, then we will issue a notice of violation will allow the employer to correct it within 30 days. If they don't, then they will be subject to an administrative fine of up to $1,000 per day per violation.
00:39:49:19 - 00:40:15:20
ROSE
But it also carries, civil penalties of up to $2,500 per day and can be charged as a misdemeanor that's punishable by a fine or jail time. In addition to that, it prohibits using any building or placement unincorporated areas of L.A. County for trafficking. So there is an opportunity for the for the, county to declare the public nuisance.
00:40:15:22 - 00:40:40:06
ROSE
So it carries it establishes the these, remedies for somebody who's not complying and to ensure that, you know, we're supporting the enforcement of it, because the intent of it is to prevent and to educate our workers that are in the workforce. I mean, the poster is supposed to be in a place where the patrons could also see it.
00:40:40:08 - 00:40:45:21
ROSE
And if they see somebody is being exploited, they have an opportunity to report that actually.
00:40:45:23 - 00:41:13:00
DINO
So I'm curious. I'm glad you brought that up because it's equally important, right, to have the employer be aware and know the signs. The employee, of course, to understand that, hey, I might, this might apply to me and the and the audience or in this case, you know, the patrons who arrive at these locations. What are some of the signs of trafficking that an employee or somebody, should be able to recognize?
00:41:13:02 - 00:41:38:24
ROSE
Sure. Generally, physical and behavioral signs are the most important signs for employees to be trained on for the public to be trained on. And, also the, the public and the patrons to be trained. But in addition, some of the red flags that are associated with exploitation and trafficking are when somebody is being monitored while they are speaking to others or not being paid.
00:41:38:24 - 00:42:04:01
ROSE
What the worker was promised, or the worker is being threatened with deportation. Other signs include documentation such as passports or ideas that are being taken away from the worker, or working in dangerous conditions without proper gear, training breaks or protection, or not having control over their income, or they're afraid to talk about the work that they do.
00:42:04:03 - 00:42:32:23
ROSE
These are all signs and should be reported in looking at somebody's behavior and how they are treated, looking at, you know, if they're speaking with someone, do they do they fear that their boss is watching them? Is that constant? These are things like that are important and, you know, as patrons and I can speak for myself too, when I go to restaurants, when I go to some of these businesses, I look for signs like that, to make sure that, you know, workers are being treated properly.
00:42:33:00 - 00:42:40:21
ROSE
And if we see it, we need to report it. And that's the whole intent of, this ordinance.
00:42:40:23 - 00:43:07:03
DINO
And let me reintroduce you. Rose, on the line with me is Rose Bosworth. John, deputy director of the Office of Labor Equity within the Los Angeles County Department of Consumer Affairs. We're talking about L.A. county's efforts to curb the issue of human trafficking. Labor trafficking? A topic of today's, show. And what about the challenges? Rose?
00:43:07:03 - 00:43:28:15
DINO
We have, you know, the second largest Cambodian community outside of Cambodia. Second largest Mexican city in the world. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And this is a monumental task in a county of more than 10 million people. How does the program address the needs of non-English speaking communities? Is the material in additional languages?
00:43:28:17 - 00:44:11:17
ROSE
Yes. We have the we have the poster in English and Spanish. We provide education, outreach. There are multiple languages. We're contracting with community based organizations to be able to provide outreach and education to folks from different communities. And different languages. We utilize hyper local media to ensure that the information is available to different, different communities. Because we know in Jason's story was was very, important to hear that it happens to every community and we want to be able to educate them that there are remedies, there are protections that are that are out there for you.
00:44:11:17 - 00:44:15:07
ROSE
And how do you get get to those and sources.
00:44:15:13 - 00:44:46:24
DINO
And, Rose, what perhaps one of the more important questions that keeps coming to mind for me right now about this topic is the challenges associated with the political climate. We know from talking to, Professor and Jason, and our own research here, my producer Mela brought me a whole mountain of research on this topic. And the political climate is such that this type of exploitation, which happens in the immigrant community, perhaps more than others, you know, folks are afraid.
00:44:46:24 - 00:44:57:24
DINO
They're afraid to come forward. They're afraid that, you know, maybe, you know, this threat of deportation. How does how is L.A. County trying to mitigate that fact?
00:44:58:01 - 00:45:21:06
ROSE
Someone's immigration status is not relevant to us. And anyone can file a complaint. We don't ask if the worker has work there, and we put them there and there's violations, not just the the Prevention of human trafficking violations ordinance violation, but any worker violations, workplace violation. We will address that. That is a challenge for us.
00:45:21:06 - 00:45:44:16
ROSE
We want to make sure that we create a safe space for them to come forward to us, because we don't. And a lot of people, yes, you won't because of the climate. A lot of people are not coming forward and speaking to government agencies, but immigration status is not relevant to us. We want to assist workers. We want to get them, whatever remedies that are available for them.
00:45:44:22 - 00:46:07:13
DINO
So just to close this out one more time, where can the audience, where can workers who may be listening, go, to get the help they need if in fact, they find themselves or if in the case of an audience member, they suspect that maybe there's worth an inquiry into the situation of a worker, where do they find out more information?
00:46:07:15 - 00:46:32:13
ROSE
Our website has a lot of information in multiple languages. And the, workers that la county.gov. Or anyone can contact us in if they want to report it anonymously. There are more than welcome to do that as well at 800. Give me one second. Let me pull our numbers. Okay. 1800 593 822.
00:46:32:15 - 00:46:56:07
DINO
My guest. Wonderful. Thank you. Rose. My guest has been Rose by Matt John. Deputy director of the Office of Labor Equity within Los Angeles County Department of Consumer and Business Affairs. She leads a team that works on enforcement, education and prevention programs to help address issues of human trafficking and labor exploitation. Stay with us. I want to thank all my guests, on this topic today.
00:46:56:07 - 00:47:12:24
DINO
It's been a delicate topic, but one that we have to address and continue to address as it moves forward. Stay with us. We'll be right back. To remind you of why it's so important to continue to support public radio and free journalism in your say.
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DINO
Welcome back to this special edition of, of our program, The Signal. News, information and analysis. I'm your host, Armando Dino Gudino. Today's topic. Freedom denied exposing human trafficking at home. We had an incredible lineup of guests. Stephanie. Richard. Professor Richard, visiting associate, clinical professor, the Sunita Jain anti-trafficking initiative at Loyola law school. Jason. It was one an advocate coalition to abolish slavery and trafficking, and a human trafficking survivor whose story was just very difficult and robust.
00:48:31:13 - 00:48:54:21
DINO
Maggi, UN deputy director of Office in Labor Equity, County of Los Angeles Department, letting us know what is being done at LA County to help address this. And now, perhaps one of the most important guests that I ever have on this show, and the boss lady herself, my producer. No, nella, who you make, you may hear me reference, nella once in a while when she stood on bananas at the screen.
00:48:54:21 - 00:49:08:00
DINO
Because I'm keeping the time. But, you know, we are in a no foul, fun drive. And today's episode, Nella, was meant to show why this station is so important. Helping us develop this kind of programing.
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NELLA
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DINO
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DINO
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DINO
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NELLA
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DINO
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DINO
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DINO
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DINO
You know, when I'm sitting here doing this program and sometimes when I'm, you know, leading up to the program, we try and produce this, these episodes, a week in advance. And I'm not just thinking about the stories, but I'm actually thinking about the audience. Right. The stories that you all want to hear. I get pitched ideas all the time.
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DINO
And, you know, whether it's from the listener who, is cleaning the house right now or you're stuck in traffic, you're walking home and listening to us on your headphones online@kpfk.org. This is your space, not mine. Not in our lives. We are just navigating a ship that is ultimately being. We are being told by you what it is that you want and what we want.
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DINO
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DINO
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NELLA
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DINO
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DINO
Do it for justice. In fact, just to give you an idea in the next couple of weeks to give you an idea of what we're working on, you know, we're looking at bringing some guests from, Arizona, New Mexico, Illinois to give our local audience a perspective of what others in similar situations are doing to address some of the challenges being put forward by the current administration, both on economic fronts, on legal fronts, and, of course, on the immigration issue.
00:57:40:09 - 00:58:04:19
DINO
We're talking to a variety of other guests. One of the ideas that we're developing is, bringing in the philanthropic community to talk about how foundations have begun to shift to help support community groups. And, of course, we can talk about what we've done in the last couple of weeks, everything from profiling, car wash, the car wash worker center and other community advocates to help better understand what's happening.
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